North American Union, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

[Kai Korack]

Over the past month or so I've heard a lot about this NAFTA super highway there building and have read on the internet and some books as well about a North American Currency known as the "amero". Now I've even seen interviews on Youtube and articles all over the place about one unified union sort of like what happened over in Europe with the creation of the European Union that would combine Mexico, USA, and Canada into one unified union. Now I've read both sides of this. Some are against this and some are for it so I started to think as well. Would a North American Union be a good idea? or would this be a terrible idea and I have to say I'm pretty neutral on the whole issue. First thing I looked at is the positives and negatives of one unified union. First off there would be no borders and that means you can travel anywhere in the country without a hassle at the borders and I for one love that idea but it has some negative effects as well such as drugs and guns could be transported easily all over the continent and of course all countries would affect the Sovereignty as Independent Nations which is the big issue really. Another thing I think is positive is the idea of one unified currency like the Euro in Europe. This way people would never have to worry about how much a dollar is worth in the other country even though the Canadian Dollar and the American Dollar are pretty much at par right now. This of course also comes with some draw backs such as countries would have to replace the currently currencies with the new one which could cause some issues. Now the idea of one government would be interesting to see to and how each country adopts policy's from all three governments. In all three countries they all have different ways of voting in people to congress or parliament. Each country has its own states and provinces and it would be interesting to see how it all plays out. Now there are a ton of other ways to look at this in a good way or a bad way. I've just stated a few positives and negatives. All three country's governments have flat out denied that a North American Union was in talks between the three nations but there are signs that everyone is starting to pick up on and it could happen. I myself can lean either way on this because there are some good things and some bad things. My question to everyone is what is your opinion on this subject.

[The Green Flame]

Do we get OverFlags? >.>

[Zed Of Blades]

and mass produced Thrudgelmirs also?

[DragoZERO]

If the Peso didn't suck so much it would be an option, but it does. So this would be a bad idea since the Canadian and US Dollar would lose value.

Only way all three countries can have the same currency is if America became an empire and conquered the world or something. lol.

[Dark.Pyro]

pft, merging <.<

[Tricky]

It wouldn't change too many things. Canada's French Loyalists would be more pissed off. The other canadians will still hate americans, americans will still joke on Mexicans and call canadians sissies, Mexicans will still flee to America without ever learning English and as a result, I suspect more Americans will live in Mexico since it really won't matter. Granted, this would make the Japanese think that the US is an evil technological power house bent on world domination cliche used in anime and movies is true. They'd definately build up their military might, and so will the rest of the world. Except countries caught up in "the war on terror".

Do we get OverFlags? >.>

No, we'd all get a healthy dose of mind altering cancer inducing gamma radiation.

and we'll like it!

[Nazaroth]

First off, not French loyalist... That would mean they are loyal to the french crown. Which from what I have heard from the separitist rallies has nothing to do with them. They just want to separate to form there own country, in fact alot of our provinces are like that, whihc is what I believe is the effect of our de centralized government, but it's worked so far.

Japan is still uner the pacifist accord that the Ameicans emplaced upon them, and if anything they would like to see it rid of, not because of America, in fact the Japanese and Americans are allies, and America is one of Japan's best customers. Japan would rather get rid of it pacifist constitution because of a militarized North Korea and the ever present China.

Either way, I don't believe many Canadians would be thrilled to be connected to the American greenback right now, even as most economist say America is going into a Repression while Canada is still looking healthy, in fact with growth in most of our sectors aside from manufacturing because of soaring energy prices.

Would I like to see a North American Union. Yes, however, first I think I would like to see American ignorance and arrogance squashed and some more consideration for the world around them... I'm just making a generalization, and I know many people from America that know quite a it going on around them, and let's admit it Canadians don't know everything going on either.

Why I say arrogance, you go into a country, blow the shit out of it, and when you realize war actually involves people dying on YOUR side, you get cold feet and wish to pull out your forces... well reality check... You broke it , you fix it. That means American troops will stay in certain countries for probably a generation to allow the country to stabilize and hope that the hate minimizes with them there and becomes a minority.

[Phy]

i think many canadians aren't too thrilled about a merging of canada with the united states. There aren't many benefits as to a merging of the 2 countries. Look at the national debt of both countries... i think canada is just in the billions (and thats going down too), while the amercian debt is in the trillions (and its going up). the american economy is in bad shape with many people buying stuff with subprime loans and not paying back the lenders.

my problem with this idea is the fact that many americans don't know what and/or where canada is. though people may say i'm wrong, its certainly what i've seen so far.

therefore No!

[Nazaroth]

The positive thing about the Canadian debt, is that we are paying it back, the unfortunate thing is that this is largely due to the fact of a booming economy in Alberta.

The unfortunate thing about American debt, is it keeps getting worse.

If anything, I am contemplating the idea of moving to a country that isn't slave dependent on America's well being, most countries, due trade with America, but Canada, if I remember correctly lives off of American trade and would not fair well if their economy collapses.
I wonder how quickly I can learn a new language.

[Yoshi]

Dont confuse the American Govt with American people. Dont call us arrogant if you're going to make such an arrogant comparison. We didnt tell Bush to send us to war, way to go dude.




2nd of all, we should wait til next election - 2 reasons

1: You never know how well the next candidate might actually do to change things
2: If people learn the hard way with this recession, it'll do tons to help fix things for the future due to lessons learned. The prob lies alot with people having no incentives to save, if that was fixed, progress can be made.

Again with the assumptions, assume this - all economies go with the ebb and flow model. No economy stays on the high, no country in history has gone without a nice rise then a recession, then another rise and prosperous period, then another recession. Simple history. Canada had its recession, now we're havin ours. Japan had its recessions too.





As for the union - NO. You cant merge 3 totally different government bases and expect a lovely mesh. HUMAN NATURE PPL!! LOL cant ignore it!

[Aloysius Knight]

Would I like to see a North American Union. Yes, however, first I think I would like to see American ignorance and arrogance squashed and some more consideration for the world around them... I'm just making a generalization, and I know many people from America that know quite a it going on around them, and let's admit it Canadians don't know everything going on either.

Why I say arrogance, you go into a country, blow the shit out of it, and when you realize war actually involves people dying on YOUR side, you get cold feet and wish to pull out your forces... well reality check... You broke it , you fix it. That means American troops will stay in certain countries for probably a generation to allow the country to stabilize and hope that the hate minimizes with them there and becomes a minority.

I love how I'm clumped with ignorant politicians who have a fucking approval rating BELOW 10%.

Frankly, a lot of conservative americans, hate the idea of us selling ourselves off for a Union, because all we will do, is allow the Bad Mexicans (there are Good Mexicans, like Shadow Wolf, who I can get along witn, but the scum that has violated our laws and shipped drugs into our country, are low than worms) to run amok, and already, we have cities on the southern border actually becoming Psuedo Mexican territory thanks to gang activity and drug cartels, if the borders are liquidated, then drugs will run freely throughout the United States...and canada, and we'll have to worry about the drugs, disease (thanks to the disease rate in a lot of parts in mexico, like tuberculosis that has no cure for, and the like, our hospitals are already seeing this kind of shit eating away at their infrastructure)

The fact is, the reason the European Union worked, was because of the common ground the founding members had.

Canada, Mexico, and the United States, only have one common ground, distrust of one another.

A North American Union, cannot and will not work.

[katake]

hmm. im not really a fan of the idea. free trade agreements are one thing, but i dont like anything more binding than that. especially a union that leaves our borders open and our security dependent on others.

i dont really feel like going on some long tirade, so i'll just leave it at sayin im not at all in favor. stupid idea.

edit:

bah, ok. while im at it.
"I would like to see American ignorance and arrogance squashed and some more consideration for the world around them..."

I know you admitted that its a generalization, but i'd like to make a case that its a bastardized form of misconception.

Yes. many Americans are ignorant fucks.

However. this is not because they are American. They get attention because they are American, but they're ignorance is not because they are American. No, this is because they are people. Nationality has nothing to do with it. Americans are ignorant fucks. Canadians are ignorant fucks. Germans are ignorant fucks. Mexicans, Brazilians, Chinese, Korean, Swedish, Saudi, Japanese, Romanian, Australian, Polish, Egyptian, they're all ignorant fucks. everyone, everywhere, has their ignorant fucks. and most of them are quite stupid to boot. This is because people, as a whole, are ignorant and stupid fucks.

so much for cutting short my rant.

tl;dr people = retards.

[Yoshi]

yes haha hence my point in saying its hypocritical to call us americans all proud and arrogant :) as if we're the only ones? psh

[Freedom]

Mostly I have nothing else to say sense yosh, al, and k pointed it out already lol

I agree what they said, wouldn't work overall in the big picture and the US is just fine as is. =p

Btw, wasn't for "American ignorance and arrogance" Canada most likely would had been invaded by idk lets say the terrorist from underground or lets go in the past. lol Wasn't for "American ignorance and arrogance" again you would had been invaded in that time(the distant past) also.

Why? CANADA KILLED THEIR OWN MILITARY thanks to their own leaders they had.

I know they are rebuilding thanks to somewhat better leaders but Canada is still weak in defending. =p

So yeah, thanks to once more "American ignorance and arrogance" you wouldn't have this time posting what you said.

We protected you and still are. lol

Think about it.

[Zed Of Blades]

okay, i'm actually thinking here lol

JOINING WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE, our tax systems r way to different >.>
as if america would like to join canada at the top in #1 place for highest paying tax country lol

-10 for progressive system XD

[Yoshi]

yes! progressive ftl!!! XDDDDDD rofl

[OS]

Yes. many Americans are ignorant fucks.

However. this is not because they are American. They get attention because they are American, but they're ignorance is not because they are American. No, this is because they are people. Nationality has nothing to do with it. Americans are ignorant fucks. Canadians are ignorant fucks. Germans are ignorant fucks. Mexicans, Brazilians, Chinese, Korean, Swedish, Saudi, Japanese, Romanian, Australian, Polish, Egyptian, they're all ignorant fucks. everyone, everywhere, has their ignorant fucks. and most of them are quite stupid to boot. This is because people, as a whole, are ignorant and stupid fucks.

so much for cutting short my rant.

tl;dr people = retards.

this is so true lol nice one kat

progressive ftl >.>

[Nazaroth]

I'm just making a generalization, and I know many people from America that know quite a it going on around them, and let's admit it Canadians don't know everything going on either.

Maybe that part was missed... Generally I go with the notion that "There is one in every bunch"

Even an analogy for an apple works for humans.

EIther way... I think it is just the common human hold of distrust of anything remotely different than the group of people they are surrounded by.

In fact... if you just scrap the word human and go back to the original word that we bequeath to every other organism "animal"... Then humanity on a whole makes much more sense.

Edit:

However, I digress, since this is almost no longer related to the original topic.

There won't be a united North America unless someething really horrible happens, if that doesn't happen then the status quo of nations will remain in place until something unbalances it.